Are you familiar with public CCTV systems used in, for example, Great Britain?
Through reading and lots of BBC America, I know that Great Britain has widespread use of Closed Circuit TV.
Can you share general info on things such as:
Are they really widespread, or only in heavy population areas?
Do other countries use them on a similar scale?
Are they controversial in any way?
Do they reduce crime and/or make crimes easier to solve?
Does anyone besides Law Enforcement and the Security Service have access to the footage?
Can their images be viewed live, or only tape-delayed?
Basically, just interested in any general info you care to share about such systems.
Can you help enlighten me?
Thanks!
BTW, I am aware that we have such systems in the US. It just seems much more widespread in the UK.
I’m appreciative of the detailed answers, thanks!
Some great answers, I’m going to have to let the Community decide the Best one. Thanks!

I live on an estate on the outskirts of a small city and they have big black cameras on every corner. Infact they have these cameras on just about every corner in the city. I expect it to get worse. They also have cameras that face every direction on top of the high rise flats. Six years ago there were none. They don’t actually deter crime. They do help catch some criminals as they are all linked to one huge database where they are constantly monitored. They are also recorded. Do people feel safer? lol sorry, the answer is no. Crime continues to happen regardless. Infact more so now than before the cameras were erected. I think the cameras are an annoyance to most people as they feel they are being spyed on even though most are law abiding citizens. The feeling of being constantly watched everywhere you go is very disconcerting.
yes, there pretty much everywhere. but new laws have come into effect of last year that state that CCTV can not be used to incriminate people and legally they are not allowed to store images of you due to the Data Protection act of 1998 without your consent.
(there are holes and loops – of course there are!)
However, now, before you enter any area that is under surveillance. it must be properly signed with clear notice that you are entering an area under surveillance.(by entering the area you are thereby giving your consent) The reason behind the scheme and the details of the data controller (they are legally obliged to remove any visual data with you on it at your request). There are laws on how long this data is allowed to be stored on their systems (im not sure the details but access is very limited and has to be heavily controlled to Data Protection)
going back to that CCTV can not be used to incriminate anyone, it is ‘supposed’ to be used for “crime prevention”
Eg. your sitting in an empty pub, a guy gets up and leaves and you notice he has left his wallet which clearly has £40 sticking out of it. Ok you might not be a thief but some people in this situation will think. “oh well, no ones looking, whos gonna know’.
however if you have a camera stuck in your face, you will hand it in or just leave it. = crime prevention.
As well as crime prevention it can also be used for ‘public safety’. This is how most places get away with it. however recently, there was a large chain store that was under some scrutiny recently for having secret cameras to ‘watch for criminal intent amongst their staff’. this is a big not allowed.
In fact the law actually states that if a workplace proposes to fit CCTV systems, they can not if any member of their staff objects…. but im sure this is never the case in practice.
This is actually quite a large subject and i could go into more detail but I wont bore you anymore
Are they really widespread, or only in heavy population areas?
…. the answer is YES. we are all being watched where ever we go… it is George Orwells 1984 becoming a reality.
Do other countries use them on a similar scale?
I dont know the answer to this question but i believe the laws in britain are to comply with that of the EU, so its a possibility
Are they controversial in any way?
I think 10 years ago there was some resistance and contoversy, but its one of those things that has appeared under peoples noses and it is just accepted as being ‘normal’ and taken for granted
Do they reduce crime and/or make crimes easier to solve?
I dont know the reality or governments statistics on this but i can better it shows crime as gone down… i dont cant believe it does anything when you take into account that Britain’s yob culture has developed a uniform and they just can not be distinguished from 1 of a couple of other million people.
Does anyone besides Law Enforcement and the Security Service have access to the footage?
you have access to footage with you on it, tho this is all still a very grey area
Can their images be viewed live, or only tape-delayed?
i know there are laws govening this. I believe yes. they can be taped but there are strict guide lines to the type of equipment it is allowed to be stored on and the time it is allowed to be stored untill it is destroyed.
I hope i have helped.
Apparently we have the most CCTV cameras per head of population in the world!
The statistics say that if you spend a day in London your image maybe captured up to 300 times by the cameras – this includes cameras that are used in shops as well as those on the street.
The CCTV in shops and businesses are the property of that business but the tapes can be handed over to the police as evidence of any alleged crime.
They are used mostly in cities and large towns and to monitor traffic flows on motorways.
Images are monitored live and also taped – the tapes are used to gather evidence and may be used in evidence in court.
There seems to be two schools of thought
1) If you are not doing anything wrong or intending to break the law then what’s the problem?
2) Some people think that it means that the UK is becoming a Big Brother state.
Like all things there are pros and cons for instance, the cameras on the motorway give early warning of congestion, accidents, bad weather conditions etc.
Video evidence is reviewed by the Police and Crown Prosecution Service as potential evidence that may be presented in a Court Case.
The installation of cameras was seen as a crime deterrent/ prevention measure as well as a security issue.
Does it deter crime?
Probably – people are hardly going to commit a crime if they are going to be videoed.
More cynically it means that crimes will be moved from the areas where they occur are to areas where there is less observation.
Strangely, the number of speed trap camera violations seems to be steadily increasing.
These cameras seem to be very unpopular (particularly by the people caught by them!) and many people see them as ‘revenue-generators’ for the County whilst others see them as a road safety factor.
The County say that the revenue generated is or will be used to install further ‘road safety’ cameras.
(This isn’t helped by some Counties having a tariff of deaths and/or accidents before a camera can be installed – obviously if you’re a resident concerned about speeding having to wait until some of your fellow residents are maimed/killed before a camera is installed doesn’t prove popular.
Does it help solve crime?
Someone said ‘the camera never lies’.
A lot of evidence for the London bombings (7/7) was collected from cameras at rail stations, on motorways and through the streets of London and led to the conviction of the bombers.
Again this amount of camera surveillance should act as a deterrent to any future attacks.
Video evidence is seen by its supporters as another tool in the tool-kit for fighting crime and/or potential crime.
The Government and local authorities i.e. Counties have invested vast sums of public money in CCTV so, of course, they will (or have) to say it is a success as it is their proclaimed strategy and as they are politically motivated they will use major incidents (e.g. 7/7) to justify such claims.
Of course, this is difficult to prove or disprove as no figures have been published to show that the number of crimes prevented has increased/decreased. (Virtually impossible to do that anyway.)
It is also difficult for anyone to prove that CCTV evidence is pivotal in how many cases and even then does it justify the costs nationwide.
Bit more information if you need it
To follow on from what Dev said while I was preparing my answer:
If your image has been captured by say 100 cameras during the day (quite easy if you drive to a city and walk around a bit) you are not going to know whether your image has been taken or by which camera(s ). Therefore you would not know which private companies had your image so you could not ask them for the copy. Also can you imagine the problem if everybody wanted a copy of a piece of a tape that they appeared on – the overheads would be astronomical! So there are a lot of tapes with images that are stored as potential evidence – both from private companies/shops reception areas etc.
However it is true that you are charged with a crime you are entitled to a copy of any part of the tape that the prosecution may use to try to prove you guilty – because you may want to use some parts of it in your defence.
Warning signs are present particularly in private companies – this may be a legal requirement (I don’t know) but mostly these are put there as a deterrent. Towns and cities may have warning signs up but they do not tell you were the cameras are. Strangely enough back to speed cameras they are not allowed to be concealed – in fact there has to be a warning sign and the camera has to be in a high-visibility yellow box so drivers can see where they are!
It is not illegal to video people – for instance if someone videos me on their camera in a public place I cannot stop them doing that or demand a copy of their film.
(However if someone was seen videoing minors for no good reason the police would soon be called and questions asked – I’m sure I don’t have to go into the reasons for this. This now means that schools are unwilling for people including parents to video school plays/nativity plays of young children.)
Dev mentioned the Data Protection Act – the police are exempt from large parts of this act -furthermore so are large parts of national government, County and local councils as well if they say they are collecting evidence under the UK Terrorism Act (which all started after 9/11 – I’m sure you don’t need any more information on that) which gives them enhanced powers of surveillance.
(Don’t think that I’m trying to say whether this is right or wrong but you asked for information and all I’m trying to do is paint what is hopefully an objective picture – well an outline sketch of the situation in the UK. You can see from the other replies what other people think)
It gets more complicated! If I have a security CCTV camera on my house it is not allowed to pan or scan onto the public highway i.e. it can only cover my own property. But if someone did commit a crime on my property and I captured that on a hand held video I could follow them on to the public highway and continue to video. That tape would be admissible as evidence of any alleged crime subject to the rules of provenance.
If someone comes into my garden with a video running without permission they have committed a civil offence (this means that it is not a police arrestable offence) of trespass. As it is my property I have the right to use ‘reasonable force’ to move them if they do not leave when asked. If during this process the camera gets dropped I must return it to them when they are off the premises otherwise I would leave myself open to potential arrest for theft if they involve the police
No public street camera is allowed to be pointed at the windows or to film through the windows of a private dwelling as this would be a violation of privacy under the Human Rights Act. As other people have said there are exceptions to this of course – for security/crime investigations reasons people can be filmed but it has to done through a separate process – too complicated to go into here – even so that public street camera cannot be used. These laws are there to counter the Orwellian Big Brother argument – you’ll have to weigh this up against other replies you get.
A lot of speed cameras are vandalised as they are at a low level.
In towns/cities there are a lot of motorised cameras (so they scan the street – and these are expensive pieces of kit) on reasonably low level posts.
This means they are targets for vandals – so a lot of the time there are cameras pointed at cameras to make sure they are not being damaged!
This may help to explain why some people think we need so many of them.
It’s a strange old world!
Go read George Orwells – 1984…..Big Brother is watching you…
CCTV has its uses as regards controlling crime…the the biggest reasons that they have been installed in the UK is to generate revenue for the goverment – cameras on the roads…and to have a facility to watch all its citizens, and ultimately be able to monitor and control every aspect of their lives…..CCTV and ID cards now…..in the future… a chip implant ? who knows ??
I just kind of pick my nose infront of them …. Honestly I know nothing about them, my hubby says their invasion of privacy because they’re rarely used to solve crimes but to be honest I don’t notice them or even care